Comments on: Episode 3: Amazon’s New Grid Storage Service http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/ The podcast from TechCrunch about new Web 2.0 companies Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:48:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Edward Vielmetti http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-472 Edward Vielmetti Wed, 17 May 2006 18:19:30 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-472 I'm just now trying out Jungle Disk, a free (beta) app that uses S3 as backing store for a WebDAV service. A few setup hiccups, with prompt response from the author, doing a backup of my address book now, haven't done a restore yet. I’m just now trying out Jungle Disk, a free (beta) app that uses S3 as backing store for a WebDAV service. A few setup hiccups, with prompt response from the author, doing a backup of my address book now, haven’t done a restore yet.

]]> By: Sudar http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-341 Sudar Fri, 05 May 2006 09:04:37 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-341 Nice show. But even I am going to complain about the intro music. It’s really hard on our ears. I have one more suggestions too. If possible try to limit each show to around 30-35 minutes. Nice show. But even I am going to complain about the intro music. It’s really hard on our ears.

I have one more suggestions too. If possible try to limit each show to around 30-35 minutes.

]]> By: Nik Cubrilovic » Talkcrunch With Amazon S3 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-179 Nik Cubrilovic » Talkcrunch With Amazon S3 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:22:02 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-179 [...] In the third episode of Talkcrunch we spoke to the guys from Amazon Web Services and Amazon S3, their new online storage offering. I talked a lot more towards the end, more as a competitor to S3 rather than the podcast host. Everyone else on the show made an effort to convince me that it would be better for Omnidrive somehow if we used S3 as our backend and focused on the front-end. Michael even went as far as calling S3 ‘revolutionary’ which I just don’t agree with - we have had storage API’s around for years. [...] [...] In the third episode of Talkcrunch we spoke to the guys from Amazon Web Services and Amazon S3, their new online storage offering. I talked a lot more towards the end, more as a competitor to S3 rather than the podcast host. Everyone else on the show made an effort to convince me that it would be better for Omnidrive somehow if we used S3 as our backend and focused on the front-end. Michael even went as far as calling S3 ‘revolutionary’ which I just don’t agree with – we have had storage API’s around for years. [...]

]]> By: Phil Haselden http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-153 Phil Haselden Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:24:44 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-153 I agree with Nik. Omnidrive's choices (as I see them): a) A back end that they have already developed, that they control, does exactly what they want and which they can customize as their product evolves. or b) S3 - a generic data storage back end that: * has higher costs than their own engine (according to Nik). * probably doesn't provide the functionality required by their client applications both now and in the future. * Omnidrive would have limited or no control over S3's future pricing, support, performance, etc. I know what way I would be going. I agree with Nik.

Omnidrive’s choices (as I see them):

a) A back end that they have already developed, that they control, does exactly what they want and which they can customize as their product evolves.

or

b) S3 – a generic data storage back end that:
* has higher costs than their own engine (according to Nik).
* probably doesn’t provide the functionality required by their client applications both now and in the future.
* Omnidrive would have limited or no control over S3’s future pricing, support, performance, etc.

I know what way I would be going.

]]> By: Amazon S3 and Repositories at ebyblog http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-152 Amazon S3 and Repositories at ebyblog Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:28:19 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-152 [...] Talk Crunch Podcast on S3 [...] [...] Talk Crunch Podcast on S3 [...]

]]> By: Manfred http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-119 Manfred Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:00:15 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-119 Thanks for segmenting! Greetings, Manfred Thanks for segmenting!

Greetings,

Manfred

]]> By: Mark Snape http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-95 Mark Snape Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:37:07 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-95 I found the conversation very interesting, but the whole piece about the cost of bandwidth went a little off-track. Its easy enough to provide a load of disks and a lightweight front end, but to really deliver you are going to need a multi-tiered architecture with data replicated at different data centres and redundant internet backbone connections. Amazon already have a lot of this infrastructure in place of course. The monthly standing charge per GB is obviously going to cover the storage, dev work and administration to provide the solution, but the bandwidth charge needs to cover the users share of the activity on the servers (and on replicas) - not just the data flowing in the wire. I found the conversation very interesting, but the whole piece about the cost of bandwidth went a little off-track. Its easy enough to provide a load of disks and a lightweight front end, but to really deliver you are going to need a multi-tiered architecture with data replicated at different data centres and redundant internet backbone connections. Amazon already have a lot of this infrastructure in place of course.
The monthly standing charge per GB is obviously going to cover the storage, dev work and administration to provide the solution, but the bandwidth charge needs to cover the users share of the activity on the servers (and on replicas) – not just the data flowing in the wire.

]]> By: Dennis Wright http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-92 Dennis Wright Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:54:12 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-92 I was fairly scathing about Episode 2 but 3 was altogether better. Audio quality much improved and the show was more structured. The presentation was a shade more engaging. The subject matter was interesting and topical, and the discussion only slightly overlong. It's getting there. Do please sort out the intro music. It launches in far too loud, we don't know what we're listening to for quite a few seconds until the voice cuts in then there is still a disconcerting sudden volume drop. Being audio only the voice has to start from the very beginning to inform the listener what they're listening to, with the music in the background or cutting in after, and volume levels kept constant. Maybe when your signature tune is instantly recognisable world wide you can leave it to play on its own for a bit. I was fairly scathing about Episode 2 but 3 was altogether better. Audio quality much improved and the show was more structured. The presentation was a shade more engaging.

The subject matter was interesting and topical, and the discussion only slightly overlong. It’s getting there.

Do please sort out the intro music. It launches in far too loud, we don’t know what we’re listening to for quite a few seconds until the voice cuts in then there is still a disconcerting sudden volume drop.

Being audio only the voice has to start from the very beginning to inform the listener what they’re listening to, with the music in the background or cutting in after, and volume levels kept constant. Maybe when your signature tune is instantly recognisable world wide you can leave it to play on its own for a bit.

]]> By: Ted Robinson http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-90 Ted Robinson Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:15:40 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-90 I agree. Although S3 seems very promising, the service lacks clear specs about performances, features (data redundancy and latency in particular) and API. I guess it will take a couple of months before we get a clear view of their roadmap and what startup could really do with this. A very great thing with S3 is that they have provided examples in many language. Whether you are a pure Java programmer, a PHP hobbyist or a Ruby junkie, there are code examples available. Ted --- <a href="http://www.batteriesnotebook.com" rel="nofollow">Notebook Batteries</a> I agree.

Although S3 seems very promising, the service lacks clear specs about performances, features (data redundancy and latency in particular) and API. I guess it will take a couple of months before we get a clear view of their roadmap and what startup could really do with this.

A very great thing with S3 is that they have provided examples in many language. Whether you are a pure Java programmer, a PHP hobbyist or a Ruby junkie, there are code examples available.

Ted

—
Notebook
Batteries

]]> By: Matt Davis http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-87 Matt Davis Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:38:45 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-87 OH! Wanted also to say I like the podcasts ALOT! They're very informative even if this last one was over my head a bit. As far as the music goes, I don't mind it but it needs to have some EQ ballance work done. I cranked down the volume because of the music and then had to crank it back up again because I couldn't hear the voices. :-) OH! Wanted also to say I like the podcasts ALOT! They’re very informative even if this last one was over my head a bit. As far as the music goes, I don’t mind it but it needs to have some EQ ballance work done. I cranked down the volume because of the music and then had to crank it back up again because I couldn’t hear the voices. :-)

]]> By: Matt Davis http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Matt Davis Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:36:35 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-86 I could have used a bit more info on the exact goals/uses for the tech. I've read through the S3 website and I'm still stumped as to what the possible applications are. If it's simple web storage for large files (like my companies video game download) then the price point isn't actually all that great. We're getting an average of .07 a gig transfered between our ISP and GoDaddy. I guess I want to better understand the rudimentary aspects of what S3 IS which you seemed to skip... as did their site! LOL I could have used a bit more info on the exact goals/uses for the tech. I’ve read through the S3 website and I’m still stumped as to what the possible applications are. If it’s simple web storage for large files (like my companies video game download) then the price point isn’t actually all that great. We’re getting an average of .07 a gig transfered between our ISP and GoDaddy.

I guess I want to better understand the rudimentary aspects of what S3 IS which you seemed to skip… as did their site! LOL

]]> By: Levi http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Levi Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:09:30 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-84 Good show. My only complaint so far is the intro music... Is there anyway you can change that so it doesn't sound like the trailer for 2 Fast 2 Furious? Otherwise I'm enjoying it. Good show. My only complaint so far is the intro music… Is there anyway you can change that so it doesn’t sound like the trailer for 2 Fast 2 Furious? Otherwise I’m enjoying it.

]]> By: Lenkov http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Lenkov Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:24:27 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-83 Nik/Jay: The WS is not a good option for sure (unless you don't slice the big file in pieces and xfer them one by one -- but again won't be very effective). For such big files probably resume-after-crash FTP will work much better. We are using WebDAV to distribute all the files in our CDN, but we are not very happy with it (too slow, too much overhead). Lenkov SiteKreator.com Nik/Jay: The WS is not a good option for sure (unless you don’t slice the big file in pieces and xfer them one by one — but again won’t be very effective). For such big files probably resume-after-crash FTP will work much better.
We are using WebDAV to distribute all the files in our CDN, but we are not very happy with it (too slow, too much overhead).

Lenkov
SiteKreator.com

]]> By: Nik Cubrilovic http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-81 Nik Cubrilovic Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:21:23 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-81 Jay raises a good point as well - SOAP is slow and web services aren't the most efficient way to move files around Jay raises a good point as well – SOAP is slow and web services aren’t the most efficient way to move files around

]]> By: The Other 10 Percent » Blog Archive » TalkCrunch podcast on Amazon S3 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-80 The Other 10 Percent » Blog Archive » TalkCrunch podcast on Amazon S3 Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:03:41 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-80 [...] Episode 3 of TalkCrunch [...] [...] Episode 3 of TalkCrunch [...]

]]> By: Tim http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Tim Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:21:08 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-79 It seems to me that the Omnidrive could still be a very serious competitor to S3, although the creation teams of the first and the other can not be compared. So the ultimate question will be, can the small ant bite a piece of pie from a bees possession. Tim, qubitsearch.blogspot.com It seems to me that the Omnidrive could still be a very serious competitor to S3, although the creation teams of the first and the other can not be compared. So the ultimate question will be, can the small ant bite a piece of pie from a bees possession.

Tim,
qubitsearch.blogspot.com

]]> By: Jay http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Jay Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:30:50 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-77 Is webservie fit for uploding / downloading very large files (say 500 MB movies). We have been working on this for all most 4 years (storge and reterival of large amount of large files) and WS is not the answer. Jay CTO, www.objectcube.com Is webservie fit for uploding / downloading very large files (say 500 MB movies). We have been working on this for all most 4 years (storge and reterival of large amount of large files) and WS is not the answer.

Jay
CTO, http://www.objectcube.com

]]> By: Andrew http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-76 Andrew Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:23:55 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-76 Pretty good overall, nice to hear the Alexa guy speak he sounds like a real sharp guy. The guy with the English (?) voice talked too much about bandwidth costs without any real understanding and it got boring and embarrasing - found myself cringeing a little (sorry). If you're going to ask detailed specific at least make sure you find out your facts first.... Rated B. Pretty good overall, nice to hear the Alexa guy speak he sounds like a real sharp guy.

The guy with the English (?) voice talked too much about bandwidth costs without any real understanding and it got boring and embarrasing – found myself cringeing a little (sorry). If you’re going to ask detailed specific at least make sure you find out your facts first….

Rated B.

]]> By: TechCrunch » TalkCrunch: Podcast with Amazon S3 Grid Storage Team http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-75 TechCrunch » TalkCrunch: Podcast with Amazon S3 Grid Storage Team Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:39:24 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-75 [...] Episode 3 of TalkCrunch is up. We invited in two key Amazon S3 team members, Adam Selipsky (VP of Product Management and Developer Relations for Amazon Web Services) and Dave Barth (Product Manager for S3), to talk about Amazon’s exciting new Grid Storage web service. [...] [...] Episode 3 of TalkCrunch is up. We invited in two key Amazon S3 team members, Adam Selipsky (VP of Product Management and Developer Relations for Amazon Web Services) and Dave Barth (Product Manager for S3), to talk about Amazon’s exciting new Grid Storage web service. [...]

]]> By: Arno Nel http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-74 Arno Nel Mon, 27 Mar 2006 05:25:38 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-74 Please can you supply a .wma download for podcasts ? Please can you supply a .wma download for podcasts ?

]]> By: miles http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-73 miles Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:47:20 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-73 Really enjoying these podcasts Michael. Fantastic stuff. Really enjoying these podcasts Michael. Fantastic stuff.

]]> By: Minti (Powered by Parents) http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-72 Minti (Powered by Parents) Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:51:15 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-72 Nik, Cant wait to test your service when it comes out. I must admit though, I would have thought it would be smarter to use Amazon for storage so you can concentrate on your speciality. However I am obviously not privy to if you have other pressures like VC's expectations, staff you have already hired to solve this solution... etc. Regards Clay Co-Founder - Minti Nik,

Cant wait to test your service when it comes out. I must admit though, I would have thought it would be smarter to use Amazon for storage so you can concentrate on your speciality. However I am obviously not privy to if you have other pressures like VC’s expectations, staff you have already hired to solve this solution… etc.

Regards
Clay
Co-Founder – Minti

]]> By: David http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/comment-page-1/#comment-71 David Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:35:43 +0000 http://www.talkcrunch.com/2006/03/24/episode-3-amazons-new-grid-storage-service/#comment-71 This was such an informative and engaging podcast! A fluff piece??...softball questions??...none of that here. Thank you! Keith's comments...echoed by Dave Barth...regarding the difficulty of comparing "apples to apples" when evaluating hosting providers' pricing platforms was of particular interest to me (and many other listeners?). Any chance that some follow up on Tech/Talk Crunch will be forthcoming to help clear away the fog and provide folks who are building applications a better understanding of what type of hosting model would work best for them at various stages of their venture (i.e. comparing hosting solutions based on bandwidth scaling needs...and IT man hour needs on the back end...as the venture scales)? This was such an informative and engaging podcast! A fluff piece??…softball questions??…none of that here. Thank you!

Keith’s comments…echoed by Dave Barth…regarding the difficulty of comparing “apples to apples” when evaluating hosting providers’ pricing platforms was of particular interest to me (and many other listeners?).

Any chance that some follow up on Tech/Talk Crunch will be forthcoming to help clear away the fog and provide folks who are building applications a better understanding of what type of hosting model would work best for them at various stages of their venture (i.e. comparing hosting solutions based on bandwidth scaling needs…and IT man hour needs on the back end…as the venture scales)?

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