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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3169</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ian,
  I think it is interesting that you think respecting your customers is Linuxish.  I can&#039;t speak about the unabomber, as he never interested me.  My decisions were driven by Adam Smith, if I had to pick a person.  I am not committed to any one OS, but just don&#039;t want to use products from a company, such as Microsoft, which treats its customers with such contempt.  In the long run, I know that is why Microsoft will fail and fail in a big way.  I know there are developers excited about using .NET libraries.  But, there are drones in just about any field of work, so it does not surprise me.  I meet a lot of people in the tech industry and the interesting ones are almost never interested in Microsoft software.

To Bov,
  I was not pushing Linux.  I said I was open to different operating systems.  But, Microsoft said this would be an open product and there was no way to run it on any reasonable operating system.  That seemed to be worth a comment.  I would happily pay for an OS.  I don&#039;t use Linux or BSD because they are free.  There are places where a MS OS makes sense, such as game machines.  But a system designed to be unreliable should not be in any mission critical business application.  And Microsoft does design their current OS to be unreliable.  I loved Win2K, and wish I could still recommend it.  But, the security fixes are just getting too old for it now.  Microsoft had to really work to push me away, but they succeeded.

 My original post was on the subject of the talk.  This response does not say much about Silverlight, but merely answers questions I was asked.  It will be interesting to me to see if it gets posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ian,<br />
  I think it is interesting that you think respecting your customers is Linuxish.  I can&#8217;t speak about the unabomber, as he never interested me.  My decisions were driven by Adam Smith, if I had to pick a person.  I am not committed to any one OS, but just don&#8217;t want to use products from a company, such as Microsoft, which treats its customers with such contempt.  In the long run, I know that is why Microsoft will fail and fail in a big way.  I know there are developers excited about using .NET libraries.  But, there are drones in just about any field of work, so it does not surprise me.  I meet a lot of people in the tech industry and the interesting ones are almost never interested in Microsoft software.</p>
<p>To Bov,<br />
  I was not pushing Linux.  I said I was open to different operating systems.  But, Microsoft said this would be an open product and there was no way to run it on any reasonable operating system.  That seemed to be worth a comment.  I would happily pay for an OS.  I don&#8217;t use Linux or BSD because they are free.  There are places where a MS OS makes sense, such as game machines.  But a system designed to be unreliable should not be in any mission critical business application.  And Microsoft does design their current OS to be unreliable.  I loved Win2K, and wish I could still recommend it.  But, the security fixes are just getting too old for it now.  Microsoft had to really work to push me away, but they succeeded.</p>
<p> My original post was on the subject of the talk.  This response does not say much about Silverlight, but merely answers questions I was asked.  It will be interesting to me to see if it gets posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Bov</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3157</link>
		<dc:creator>Bov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares about Linux? 

This is the CLR runing in the browser mate. Thats like building a web application with all the power of a fat client available to you - err... on the client, in the browser, over there on the user&#039;s computer. This is a web content delivery revolution - you snooze you loose. 

No software is free, and if you actually manage to find some that is, the people that developed are just plain stupid. Linux is not free - its costs way too much to maintain because of the cost of the geeks that maintain it. I&#039;ve been runing a web enterprise development company for the last 3 years and my biggest clients are the ones migrating from linux to MS, because of the money they have had to spend on fruitless geek crap, and because the .Net framework gives them a toolset which is by order of magnitudes more productive than any other. These are people that are willing to chuck out non-MS investments to the cost of millions in order to save money going forward. Thats the real world spelling it out, not some geek to geek debate. Business is business, and time is money. Catch up or cop out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about Linux? </p>
<p>This is the CLR runing in the browser mate. Thats like building a web application with all the power of a fat client available to you &#8211; err&#8230; on the client, in the browser, over there on the user&#8217;s computer. This is a web content delivery revolution &#8211; you snooze you loose. </p>
<p>No software is free, and if you actually manage to find some that is, the people that developed are just plain stupid. Linux is not free &#8211; its costs way too much to maintain because of the cost of the geeks that maintain it. I&#8217;ve been runing a web enterprise development company for the last 3 years and my biggest clients are the ones migrating from linux to MS, because of the money they have had to spend on fruitless geek crap, and because the .Net framework gives them a toolset which is by order of magnitudes more productive than any other. These are people that are willing to chuck out non-MS investments to the cost of millions in order to save money going forward. Thats the real world spelling it out, not some geek to geek debate. Business is business, and time is money. Catch up or cop out.</p>
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		<title>By: snapey</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3132</link>
		<dc:creator>snapey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 15:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see that someone that has invested time and energy in creating ajax / java / dom scripting &#039;applications&#039; would not really see the need for this, but consider for a moment the thousands of enterprise applications that exist.

We have scores of developers comfortable with developing .net client applications for the desktop, yet we also have just about every customer demanding that the application be delivered to a web browser, both for minimum touch intranet deployment, or as a managed service.

At present, the solution is to publish using Citrix until we have the time and energy to rewrite using browser techniques. Citrix has drawbacks as requiring an additional server layer at the datacentre, and is expensive in licensing.

Silverlight sounds very attractive since, if I understand this right, a relatively straightforward port of the application (already running under .net) should be possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see that someone that has invested time and energy in creating ajax / java / dom scripting &#8216;applications&#8217; would not really see the need for this, but consider for a moment the thousands of enterprise applications that exist.</p>
<p>We have scores of developers comfortable with developing .net client applications for the desktop, yet we also have just about every customer demanding that the application be delivered to a web browser, both for minimum touch intranet deployment, or as a managed service.</p>
<p>At present, the solution is to publish using Citrix until we have the time and energy to rewrite using browser techniques. Citrix has drawbacks as requiring an additional server layer at the datacentre, and is expensive in licensing.</p>
<p>Silverlight sounds very attractive since, if I understand this right, a relatively straightforward port of the application (already running under .net) should be possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3131</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t have created a more &quot;Linuxish&quot; sentiment if I tried. 

I&#039;m so tired of the open OS diatribe. That entire paragraph sounds like it could have just as easily been written by the Unabomber.

Enjoy your flash-free, purist utopia. 

Some developers are excited by the concept of being able to create script based rich apps (unlike flash dev tools made for designers) that offer .NET libraries to code against. Which it seems like you will even be able to do in variations of Ruby and Python (http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=304541).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t have created a more &#8220;Linuxish&#8221; sentiment if I tried. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so tired of the open OS diatribe. That entire paragraph sounds like it could have just as easily been written by the Unabomber.</p>
<p>Enjoy your flash-free, purist utopia. </p>
<p>Some developers are excited by the concept of being able to create script based rich apps (unlike flash dev tools made for designers) that offer .NET libraries to code against. Which it seems like you will even be able to do in variations of Ruby and Python (<a href="http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=304541" rel="nofollow">http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=304541</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; MIX076: The remix from day one &#124; Between the Lines &#124; ZDNet.com</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3130</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; MIX076: The remix from day one &#124; Between the Lines &#124; ZDNet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 16:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch also has a podcast interview with Silverlight product manager Brian Goldfarb.&#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3125</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 01:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to the talk and tried to test out the software.  It really does not sound interesting at all.  It is just Microsoft trying to make another type of proprietary software.  They speak of it being open, but I saw nothing to make me think any of my systems will be able to run it.  I run a variety of operating systems, from BSD to Linux.  Microsoft seems to see Flash as even slightly desirable and worth co-opting.  I don&#039;t run Flash because of the bad license it comes with.  What are the odds that Microsoft would have an acceptable license, even if they deign to support operating systems that treat their users with respect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the talk and tried to test out the software.  It really does not sound interesting at all.  It is just Microsoft trying to make another type of proprietary software.  They speak of it being open, but I saw nothing to make me think any of my systems will be able to run it.  I run a variety of operating systems, from BSD to Linux.  Microsoft seems to see Flash as even slightly desirable and worth co-opting.  I don&#8217;t run Flash because of the bad license it comes with.  What are the odds that Microsoft would have an acceptable license, even if they deign to support operating systems that treat their users with respect?</p>
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		<title>By: The day the web changed &#171; Nick&#8217;s Notes</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3119</link>
		<dc:creator>The day the web changed &#171; Nick&#8217;s Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 08:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] May 3, 2007 at 8:35 am &#183; Filed under Web Services, Media, Computing, Design, Technology   Microsoft&#8217;s Silverlight will change the way we use the web. Good overveiws at TalkCrunch and ScobleShow. Look out Google! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] May 3, 2007 at 8:35 am &#183; Filed under Web Services, Media, Computing, Design, Technology   Microsoft&#8217;s Silverlight will change the way we use the web. Good overveiws at TalkCrunch and ScobleShow. Look out Google! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ::lemonup::News Technology sports cars movie video blog travel mp3 picture computer notebook and laptop &#187; Take Time To Understand Silverlight. It’s Important</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3116</link>
		<dc:creator>::lemonup::News Technology sports cars movie video blog travel mp3 picture computer notebook and laptop &#187; Take Time To Understand Silverlight. It’s Important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 09:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you are a developer or an entrepreneur, take a look at Silverlight, download some of the sample applications, and take the time to understand how it can affect your product. Our overview post is here, and our podcast interview with the product manager who built it is here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you are a developer or an entrepreneur, take a look at Silverlight, download some of the sample applications, and take the time to understand how it can affect your product. Our overview post is here, and our podcast interview with the product manager who built it is here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ::lemonup::News, Technology, sports, cars, movie, video, blog, travel, mp3, picture, computer, notebook &#187; Why Silverlight Is Important</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3115</link>
		<dc:creator>::lemonup::News, Technology, sports, cars, movie, video, blog, travel, mp3, picture, computer, notebook &#187; Why Silverlight Is Important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 09:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you are a developer or an entrepreneur, take a look at Silverlight, download some of the sample applications, and take the time to understand how it can affect your product. Our overview post is here, and our podcast interview with the product manager who built it is here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you are a developer or an entrepreneur, take a look at Silverlight, download some of the sample applications, and take the time to understand how it can affect your product. Our overview post is here, and our podcast interview with the product manager who built it is here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; じっくりとSilverlightを理解しよう。本当に大切だから。</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3113</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch Japanese アーカイブ &#187; じっくりとSilverlightを理解しよう。本当に大切だから。</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 02:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/#comment-3113</guid>
		<description>[...] 開発者も起業家も、一度はSliverlightのアプリケーションのサンプルをダウンロードして、自分たちのサービスにどう生かせるかをじっくり考えてみるべきだ。私たちの書いた概要はこちら、Silverlightを開発したプロダクトマネージャーのインタビューのポッドキャストはこちら。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 開発者も起業家も、一度はSliverlightのアプリケーションのサンプルをダウンロードして、自分たちのサービスにどう生かせるかをじっくり考えてみるべきだ。私たちの書いた概要はこちら、Silverlightを開発したプロダクトマネージャーのインタビューのポッドキャストはこちら。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Interview With Product Manager For Microsoft Silverlight &#171; fazmushka&#8217;s blog</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3112</link>
		<dc:creator>Interview With Product Manager For Microsoft Silverlight &#171; fazmushka&#8217;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 01:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Interview With Product Manager For Microsoft&#160;Silverlight  TalkCrunch link [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Take Time To Understand Silverlight. It&#8217;s Important</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3111</link>
		<dc:creator>Take Time To Understand Silverlight. It&#8217;s Important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 00:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you are a developer or an entrepreneur, take a look at Silverlight, download some of the sample applications, and take the time to understand how it can affect your product. Our overview post is here, and our podcast interview with the product manager who built it is here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you are a developer or an entrepreneur, take a look at Silverlight, download some of the sample applications, and take the time to understand how it can affect your product. Our overview post is here, and our podcast interview with the product manager who built it is here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Silverlight: The Web Just Got Richer</title>
		<link>http://www.talkcrunch.com/2007/05/01/interview-with-product-manager-for-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-3110</link>
		<dc:creator>Silverlight: The Web Just Got Richer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 11:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: Listen to our podcast interview with Silverlight product manager Brian Goldfarb at TalkCrunch. [...]</description>
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